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after shrubs and berries were also mentioned here:
Then I think of sea buckthorn, a relative of Eleagnus, there are also fruit-bearing shrubs, Elaeagnus multiflora and E. umbellata or high-yielding fruit hybrids such as Elaeagnus × ebbingei - a hybrid (Elaeagnus macrophylla × Elaeagnus pungens).
Furthermore, there are edible Crategus species, and of course several delicious tasting species of the genus Amelanchier, rock pear.
Roses (Hiffen / rosehips) or something like rasp-blackberry hybrids or cinnamon raspberry and other representatives of the Rubus genus and their hybrids, cranberries.
Also Asian (Vitis amurensis) and American grapevines (Vitis labrusca and Vitis riparia) which are also used as a base or in crossings, such as the Uhudler in Austria.
In the fruit trees there are also great hybrids such as aprium, (Prunus armeniaca x Prunus salicina) x Prunus armeniaca or Biricoccolo (apricot x plum) or Percoche (peach x apricot) and cherry, cross between cherry and apricot, the hawthorn-leaved apple (× Malosorbus florentina) is a genus bastard from the wood apple (Malus sylvestris) and the service tree (Sorbus torminalis) or x Pyronia veitchii - hybrid of quince and pear, Cydomalus or Crataemespilus etc.
for example some are here:
"Ordinary fruit is also a rarity: star apple, blood apple ...

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Akebia quinata is monoecious, but I've heard that it takes several plants to get fruit. It may be that this also applies to the Decaisnea fargesii. Belongs to the same family.

I just remembered Poncirus trifoliata. Edible, but more bitter than grapefruit and an extremely large number of seeds in relation to the pulp. But the juice is suitable for seasoning mixed drinks or jams.

Regarding nuts, you can also cultivate various Carya with us. There is a Carya ovata near me, which is abundant. The nuts taste very good.

Diospyros virginiana grows in southern Baden without any problems and is very abundant.

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Happy New Year and my thanks to everyone who always took the time to complete this list.

1) That would probably clarify the question. Now I will probably have to buy two plants if I ever want to harvest my own edible fruits. Can

actually also bumblebees pollinate these passion flowers (bombus)? Has anyone seen this before?
2) I mentioned soft fruit right from the start, namely the mulberries (traditional) and the medlar. I therefore cannot understand what is causing this

Mention was legitimized. The olive willows Elaeagnus multiflora and Elaeagnus umbellata are added to the list because the fruits are considered tasty and juicy, sweet-

described as sour and can also be used fresh. With the sea buckthorn I get the feeling of a raw inedible wild fruit, the fruits of which are the only ones

can be used to flavor dishes. Please teach me better through experience, if that's not the case. That one the fruits of Elaeagnus

I can eat pungens and they have a slightly sour taste. But with the tiny pink fruits of Elaeagnus × ebbingei, I would have

that was not thought possible. Are they "edible" raw too? The potato rose was added to the list as it is a sweet and rich pulp

owns and thus meets the criteria. I don't yet know exactly about the dog rose. I heard it only had very small rose hips and was therefore more than

To classify wild fruit. How does it taste? Does she deserve a place on the list? Unfortunately, I know very little about rose hips. The large-fruited one

I have added cranberry (Vaccinium macrocarpon) as well as the Amur vine, bank vine and real grapevine to the list. Basically, artificial hybrids have on top of this

List little to look for at first. But my opinion could still change. You mentioned the star apple (Chrysophyllum cainito), it looks pretty interesting there

exotic and somehow tropical looking. Is it hardy?
3) I was looking for something like that. I'll have them added to the list. A rather exotic species, the fruits of which are edible both raw and cooked

are. Just lovely.

AndreasG .:
The actual winter hardiness of a plant is of course also determined by many different factors. This is how a real pistachio (Pistacia vera) becomes at 20

Years protected near the house, on a southern slope under an insulating blanket of snow, can withstand significantly lower degrees than any in an exposed location

standing 10 year old pistachio tree, which has just been caught by the frost. These temperature data really only seem to be the absolute temperature minimum

indicate which can only be survived for a short time. However, I also admit that the winters of our climates are fundamentally different and the practical value of these

List for your climate is likely to be rather small. Permafrost and temperatures below -10 * C are more the exception than the rule here at the North Sea. And

should there ever be a severe winter, you can still pack it up and heat it if necessary.
I think the more climate change advances, the more exotic plants will try in this country as well. I think there is just more time

takes until the fruit growers recognize the potential that the tropical fruits will also have here with regard to climate change. Then these "plantations"

can certainly also be found in Germany.
I actually consciously forgot the sour cherry (Prunus cerasus) because I was mistaken that it was a variety of the sweet cherry and not one

independent species. Does it only grow in sunny locations or can it also thrive in the shade? Although many nuts are botanically assigned to nuts

I will subordinate the botanical nuts to a category of their own. As I have learned, the seeds of the pimpernuts are "puffed capsule fruits".

From a botanical point of view, are these nuts or not? Corylus avellana, Corylus maxima, Corylus colurna, Juglans regia and Castanea sativa were assigned to the category "Trees and

Shrubs with nut fruits ". In the case of the Amelanchier I would be interested in the exact species, because my previous finds within the genus only focus on

Wild fruit restricted. I would also be interested in the exact type of aronia (melanocarpa?), Since I only focus on sour stuff in my research, not for

I came across wild fruit suitable for fresh consumption. To give the list a better structure, I have also added the category "berry bushes", of which I have chosen the red one

Currant (Ribes rubrum), black currant (Ribes nigrum), gooseberry (Ribes grossularia), raspberry (Rubus idaeus), blackberry (Rubus fruticosus),

Blueberry (Vaccinium myrtillus) and the Kamchatka honeysuckle (Lonicera kamtschatica). Where we're already talking about berries occurs to me

currently still the lingonberry (Vaccinium vitis-idaea), the large-fruited cranberry (Vaccinium macrocarpon) and the common wolfberry (Lycium barbarum), which the

Can meet the requirements of this list.

I don't know if the trifoliate orange (Poncirus trifoliata) is that good on this list. If it were just angry like the grapefruit, it would make sense

but if it is so bitter that it cannot be eaten fresh, it would have lost little on the list. Is it just a bit bitter or also poisonous?
Carya cordiformis
Carya laciniosa
Carya illinoinensis
Carya tomentosa
Carya glabra
Does anyone know which of which are raw and edible? I would be interested in that.
The scaly bark hickory nut (Carya ovata) has been added to the list.
Diospyros virginiana is related to the persimmon, isn't it? Is the care-intensive? In any case, she was added to the list.

In addition, I was able to find some real hardy exotics and added them to the list, which have not yet been named. First, the rose mug

(Stauntonia hexaphylla), which is in the finger fruit family and is therefore related to the blue cucumber and acebia. And as a second candidate would have

I still have the sausage berry (holboellia coriacea) which I only know that it thrives in the wine-growing region and that it is frost-tolerant. I just found it amazing that even

tropical lianas are frost hard enough to be considered hardy with us.

Now the list has grown so big that only really exotic species could appear. I'm curious and looking forward to the new answers. Lg


Here is the current list:

Cultivated apple Malus domestica -32 ° C 4a

Nashi pear Pyrus pyrifolia -23 ° C 6a
Cultivated pear Pyrus communis -24 ° C 5b

Cultivated plum Prunus domestica -28 ° C 5a
Apricot Prunus armeniaca -30 ° C 4b
Peach Prunus persica -25 ° C 5b
Almond Prunus dulcis -20 ° C 6b
Sweet cherry Prunus avium -32 ° C 4a
Sour cherry Prunus cerasus -29 ° C 4b

Real quince Cydonia oblonga -25 ° C 5b
Japanese quince Chaenomeles japonica -30 ° C 4b
Medlar Mespilus germanica -20 ° C 6b
Real pistachio Pistacia vera -10 ° C 8a
Pomegranate Punica granatum -12 ° C 8a
Real fig tree Ficus carica -16 ° C 7a
Chinese date Ziziphus jujuba -25 ° C 5b

black mulberry tree Morus nigra -20 ° C 6b
white mulberry tree Morus alba –22 ° C 6a

Persimmon Diospyros kaki -18 ° C 6b
Lotus plum Diospyros lotus -29 ° C ° C 4b
American persimmon Diospyros virginiana -18 ° C 6b

Olive Olea europea -10 ° C 8a
True bay laurel Laurus nobilis –16 ° C 7a
Brazilian guava Acca sellowiana -8 ° C 8b
Blue cucumber tree Decaisnea fargesii -17 ° C 7a
Three-lobed Papau Asimina triloba -20.4 ° C 6b
Japanese loquat Eriobotrya japonica -15 ° C 7a
Western strawberry tree Arbutus unedo -16 ° C 7a
Orange cherry Idesia Polycarpa −20.5 ° C 6a

Asiatic flower dogwood Cornus kousa -20.4 ° C 6b
Cornelian cherry Cornus mas -28.2 * C 5a

Pine Pinus pinea -20 ° C 6b
Swiss stone pine Pinus cembra -28 ° C 5a

Pimpernut Staphylea pinnata -26.1 ° C 5b
Colchian pimpernut Staphylea colchica -23.3 ° C 6a
Japanese pimpernut Staphylea bumalda -28.8 ° C 5a
American pimpernut Staphylea trifolia -28.8 ° C 5a

Oval kumquat Fortunella margarita to -8 (-12) ° C 8b- (8a)
Calamondin orange Citrus fortunella -12 * C 8a

Thorny olive willow Elaeagnus pungens -18 ° C 6b
Coral olive willow Elaeagnus umbellata -29 ° C 4b
Abundant olive willow Elaeagnus multiflora -29 ° C 4b
Narrow-leaved olive willow Elaeagnus angustifolia -20 ° C to -24 ° C 5b

Holm oak Quercus ilex -12 ° C 8a


Common hazel Corylus avellana -28 ° C5a
Lambert's rabbit Corylus maxima -20 ° C 6b
Tree hazel Corylus colurna -20 ° C 6b

Real walnut Juglans regia –20 ° C 6b (Your website is really strange, I thought they could take more)

Chestnut Castanea sativa -20 ° C 6b (According to your website, a chestnut can withstand as much as a walnut? I'll take it ^^)

Scale bark hickory nut Carya ovata −20.4 ° C 6b

(edible plant parts)

Surenbaum Toona sinensis (-18-20 * C?) (6b?)
Raisin tree Hovenia dulcis -20 ° C 6b
Japanese aralia Aralia elata -28.2 ° C 5a

Berry bushes

Red currant Ribes rubrum (?)
Black currant Ribes nigrum (?)
Gooseberry Ribes grossularia (?)

Raspberry Rubus idaeus -40 ° C 2b
Blackberry Rubus fruticosus (?)

Blueberry Vaccinium myrtillus -45 ° C 2a
Cowberry Vaccinium vitis-idaea -45 ° C 2a
Large-fruited cranberries Vaccinium macrocarpon -45.5 ° C 2a

Common wolfberry Lycium barbarum (?)
Kamchatka honeysuckle Lonicera kamtschatica -23 ° C 6a
Potato rose Rosa rugosa -29 ° C 4b

Palm trees
Tree-like perennials
Herb bushes

Szechuan pepper Zanthoxylum piperitum -20 ° C 6b

Climbing plants

Kiwi Actindia deliciosa -26.1 ° C 5b
Chinese ray pen Actindia chinensis (?)
Sharp-toothed ray pen Actinidia arguta -29 ° C 4b
Amur ray pen Actinidia kolomikta -29 ° C 4b

Hardy passion flower Passiflora incarnata -15 ° C 7a
Blue passion flower Passiflora caerulea -15 ° C 7a
Yellow passion flower Passiflora lutea -15 ° C 7a

Finger-leaved Akebia Akebia quinata -23 ° C 6a
Shamrock Akebia Akebia trifoliata -23 ° C 6a

Grapevine Vitis vinifera -18 ° C 6b
Amur vine Vitis amurensis (?)
Shore vine Vitis riparia (?)

Sausage berry (holboellia coriacea) (?)
Rose beaker (Stauntonia hexaphylla) -10 ° C 8a

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Hello Avatarez2

However, you misinterpreted my reference to star apple (... "common fruit is a rarity: star apple, blood apple ...).
I would not have called the star apple tree (Chrysophyllum cainito) an ordinary fruit in our latitudes (whether it is hardy here is doubtful).
Rather, it is about a real apple variety (Malus dormestica) of typical, pentagonal star-shaped shape, which is said to come from Roman times.
This just named Sternapi, Star apple or Api Étoilé is a "rarity" as a variety, but only one of 875 apple varieties of the "common cultivated apple" listed on Wiki.
Definitely a real eye-catcher!

Note Poncirus trifolia:
edible, non-toxic, if you like bitter fruit you could suck it out or squeeze it out and use the juice in mixed drinks, as a spice in sauces, desserts or something like that. The peel could possibly be candied similar to lemon peel, you would have to try it out.

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Poncirus trifoliata is not necessarily a hit to eat. The taste is similar to that of the gapefruit, but there are extremely many stones in it. You have to spit out quite a bit, suck the juice. It is not poisonous, but the juice is well suited to flavor jams.

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I still have a few

if interested please pn.

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Hi, this is an exciting topic! What do you think of these plants?

Kadsura coccinea
Kadsura japonica
Aristotelia chilensis (actually evergreen, but loses leaves when it is frosty)
Shepherdia spec.
Pseudocydonia sinensis
Prunus ilicifolia (evergreen cherry)
Nyssa spec.
Cyphomandra corymbiflora (Frost hardy 'tree' tomato)
Heteromeles arbutifolia (cooked edible)
Maclura pomifera
Maclura tricuspidata

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Do I understand correctly that you want to plant all of these trees?
This idea is fascinating. I think ...................
I have another wood there:
Gymnocladus dioicus (antler tree or Kentucky coffee tree)
American settlers are said to have made coffee from the seeds.
I can't find the ginkgo in the list.
Roasted in the pan. always a pleasure for the Japanese.
The proposals are becoming more and more exotic ...............

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@ Smiley - which Nyssa spec do you mean?
Nyssa ogeche would be a candidate up to zone 7 with edible fruits, but some species also have inedible fruits.

Incidentally, I do not consider Prunus ilicifolia to be sufficiently hardy (rather only zone 9b-10a)

Edibility of Heteromeles arbutifolia is rather restricted!
Toyon pomes are acidic and astringent, and contain a small amount of cyanogenic glycosides, which break down into hydrocyanic acid on digestion. This is removed by mild cookin.

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Hello Spinnich,
at Nyssa ogeche I thought too. Maybe there are still some edible species that are a bit hardier, so first 'spec.'.
Prunus ilicifolia I marked myself as '7b or less'. But I don't know where I got the info from ... you could give it a try =)
Ok if Heteromeles arbutifolia is slightly cyanogenic, then you should definitely inform yourself about the preparation before consumption! I've read that it can be used for jams or fruit juices.

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Unfortunately, I don't have the time to go into all the comments as usual at the moment, but I still have a few questions about the winter hardiness of some plants. I only recently read that some plants that were described as almost not winter hardy were listed as frost hardy on Hortipedia. As a little sample I found the following plants with accompanying winter hardy plants:

Andean berry Physalis peruviana -12 ° C, is described there as a perennial. Can I confirm that the Physalis I planted this year is no longer recognizable after the first permafrost.

Ceylon cinnamon tree Cinnamomum verum is specified as -7 ° C, I was surprised that a tropical tree should withstand this. Maybe you could soon be harvesting your own cinnamon if climate change continues like this.

With the Akee (Blighia sapida) things should get even stranger. This fruit-bearing tree from West Africa (!!!) should withstand a total of -7 ° C. I have never heard of a frost-hardy tree that came from Africa, even the argan tree collapses at a few degrees below zero.

But what amazed me most was that the grapefruit Citrus maxima could be considered hardy with -7 ° C, at least with winter protection, if you believe the information. The tangerine, on the other hand, is not considered frost-hardy at all, although both come from similar regions. If that were true with the frost hardiness, it could be the explanation for the low frost hardiness of every citrus fruit, which is the result of a cross with the grapefruit. For example the orange.

But what do you think of this information. Would you deny it or even support it. In any case, I think it's pretty exciting to be able to play with the idea of ​​being able to cultivate your own grapefruit tree in the garden all year round and maybe even be able to harvest the largest of all citrus fruits on hot summers.

I also looked a little further for citrus fruits and found, among other things, hardy citrus fruit substitutes.
For example the:

- Yuzu (Citrus ichangensis × Citrus reticulata -12 ° C) and the Satsuma (-10 ° C) as a tangerine substitute
- Ichang lemon (Citrus ichangensis × Citrus maxima) as a lemon substitute (-10 ° C)
- If it is right, use the grapefruit as a pomelo and grapefruit substitute.

Does anyone know whether there are any hardy limes besides the Australian desert lime? Or alternatives? What about the orange? Are there possibly good-tasting hybrids or is the citrange (Citrus × sinensis × Poncirus trifoliata) already the optimum? I will add the updated list in a later post, in which I will also respond to your comments. Lg Avatarez2

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Hello Avatar

The winter hardiness of plants can be determined very differently.
1st cold frost night without snow or several days of less frost but with snow - radiation increases the frost damage, can be coped with in very different ways! The snow cover does not offer the trees any protection, at most the roots.
Many plants can be winterized in dry weather, but die in wet, damp weather.
The danger of late frost, exposure to the sun, etc. can also have harmful effects.
Incidentally, in desert nights there is often extreme cooling and in mountain regions in Africa the plants naturally also have to endure frost.

For further information you should look around on special pages and special forums, which can certainly give you a lot more information on your specific questions.

I have a few links here, you should look through them! ... ten / page18
http: //www.steffenreichel.homepage.t-on ... NDORT.html ... xoten.html ... gteil1.php

There you can surely get some food for thought.
As the tropical garden experiment shows, the first few years are often decisive, but the hardness of individuals of the same plant species from different locations also plays an important role in winter hardiness.

I wish you success

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The cockspur hawthorn (Crataegus crus-galli)
Sorbus dometica
Sorbus acuparia edulis

Raw edible quiten such as the varieties Cydonia oblanga Wolgoradskja, maigkopoldnaja, Shirin, Krymsk

Black elder flowers and fruits

Zürgelbau Celtis australis good aroma and stones can be bitten into and eaten with.

Ginkgo biloba
Nut slices
Chilean araucaria (Araucaria araucana)
Brazilian araucaria (Araucaria angustifolia)
Araucaria araucana x angustifolia F2 (Hybrid Monkey Puzzle Tree)
White Pine or Nut Pine (Pinus sabiniana)
Single-leaved pine (Pinus monophylla)
Large-coned walnut pine (Pinus maximartinezii)
Pinus coulteri - D.Don.

found on wikipedia under "Pine nut"

Old World
Pinus pinea - Italian stone pine
Pinus cembra - Swiss pine
Pinus koraiensis - Korean pine
Pinus gerardiana - Chilgoza pine
Pinus sibirica - Siberian pine
Pinus pumila - Siberian dwarf pine
Pinus armandii - Chinese white pine [reputed to cause "taste disturbance"]
Pinus bungeana - lacebark pine

New World
Pinus cembroides - Mexican pinyon
Pinus orizabensis - Orizaba pinyon
Pinus johannis - Johann's pinyon (includes P. discolor - Border pinyon)
Pinus culminicola - Potosi pinyon
Pinus remota - Texas pinyon or papershell pinyon
Pinus edulis - Two-needle pinyon or Colorado pinyon
Pinus monophylla - Single-leaf pinyon
Pinus quadrifolia - Parry pinyon

"plants for a future" have a very large list of edible plants

Are there also frost-hardy cacti that develop fruits?

Chinese chestnut with various varieties "Castanea mollissima: A Chinese Chestnut for the Northeast"

some oaks that have low-tannic fruit. but no longer knows which

The beech fruits are roasted edible but very small. you could also put them in an oil press.

Common wolfberry, Lycium barbarum

Bamboo shoots

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Hello Avatarez2,
Are you only looking for fruits or are you now also looking for other uses (e.g. spices + nuts)? Because cinnamon and laurel were mentioned, star anise spontaneously came to mind (Illicium spec.).
But here are a few more fruits that came to mind:
Rhaphiolepis indica
Cornus angustata + Cornus capitata are both evergreen, therefore a bit more exotic than the ones mentioned so far =)
There are some hardy avocado relatives, such as Persea borbonea. The aromatic leaves can be made into a tea, but I don't know if you can eat the mini avocados.
Some types of Xylosma are grown for their fruits. Xylosma japonica should be relatively hardy, does anyone know whether the fruits are edible?
Myrsine semiserrata is edible, but so far not much is known about frost tolerance (~ 8a).
Rubus lineatus + Ribes laurifolium are actually more shrubs (both evergreen), but in contrast to the well-known raspberries and currants, they are a bit exotic, so I mention them at least once.
Maybe you could too Vaccinium ovatum Add.

I mentioned in the previous post that the Aristotelia chilensis it loses its foliage in frost, but this year it appears to be keeping all the leaves. Let's see what the next cold spell will bring ...