What is Sally Thorner doing now

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This is a comprehensive guide to travel to 'dark-tourism' destinations worldwide.
Covering over 950 individual places in 112 different countries.
The coronavirus crisis is affecting pretty much everybody everywhere at the moment and probably will continue to do so for an indeterminable time in the future. And that includes this website.
Please note that 99% of all texts on this site were written before the outbreak of the pandemic. For now I'll let them all stand as they are, as if nothing has changed. But of course travel has been heavily affected by the crisis, so many practical travel tips given here have to be considered 'on hold'. I won't have any chance of keeping up with developments everywhere and have all destination chapters on this website up to date. Lots of places in many parts of the world are probably still “temporarily closed” (the most frequently encountered phrase on Google Maps at the moment!).
Let's hope we can get back to traveling as closely as possible to "normal" before too long.
This site aims to promote and also rehabilitate dark tourism (DT). There has been some negative reporting in the media about DT, often on the basis of an ill understood concept of DT and / or together with bad examples that are not really representative of dark tourism.
So PLEASE GRADE from the start: dark tourism, as understood on this site, does NOT include anything voyeuristic (like 'slum tourism'), NOR does it include 'war tourism' (travel to current war zones) or other 'danger tourism', NOR ' ghost hunts' or anything 'paranormal', NOR battle re-enactments and such theatrical stuff ... See beyond DT!
It furthermore distances itself from disrespectful tourist bahaviour such as selfie-taking at sites of tragedy (see also ethical issues).
What IS endorsed here is respectful and enlightened touristic engagement with contemporary history, and its dark sites / sides, in a sober, educational and non-sensationalist manner.
There is also a nascent FAQ section.
If you're from the MEDIA and not fully familiar with the term dark tourism you may want to start there. Also check out the separate page giving a more elaborate answer to the question "is dark tourism something bad, sick or morally wrong?" (short answer: it is not!).
If you are intrigued or already consider yourself a dark tourist and want to know what dark places there are to visit in the world, and would like to get targeted information about such places, then go straight to the dark destinations section, which covers the practical side of dark tourism and forms the core this website.
If you're looking for anything specific, any particular place name or key word, then you can also go via the index. In addition there is a glossary providing more background info and terminological explanations.
In the general dark tourism section there's also more about the academicconcept of dark tourism, how dark tourism relates to other forms of tourism, what types and categories of dark tourism there are and where its limits lie. Furthermore various lists of the best of the best, the darkest, the most popular, the most exotic, etc., etc., are offered as well.
The "logo"At the top of each page of this website is further explained here.
A general note on the photos used on this website is to be found here.
NOTE: all texts, images, etc. on this site are COPYRIGHTED - i.e. DO NOT STEAL any of them, that is: do not copy anything without my prior (written) permission !!! (See the explicit legal notes in the disclaimer and cf. imprint.)
If you like what you're reading and seeing, then do feel free to tell others about this site - in fact, I urge you to spread the word!!! I'm dependent on it (see about).
PLEASE: if you spot any errors, or stylistic glitches, or things you find fault with for whatever reason and would like to have it put right, then use the contact details provided. Even the pointing out of the smallest typo will be gratefully received and responded to.
UPDATE: Facebook has from one day to the nextpurged me and deleted the Dark-Tourism page I had curated on that platform for nearly five years. It's all gone. As if I'd never existed. No real explanations were ever given nor did any means of appeal work. See the full story here!
BUT: the good news is that I've meanwhile set up an all new DT blog of my own, on my own web domain, out of reach of the ruthless FB censors. Please take a look and subscribe to theNewsletter!
The other good news is that I've been able to recreate most of the content of that purged DT page on FB in archive form here on this website, i.e. also on my own domain and hence out of reach of any social media Gestapo - that way you can also judge for yourself if that content was really deserving of the maximum digital death penalty without trial (I trust you will see that it was not).
Note also that DT is not on Twitter (and never has been)!
now three months have passed again ... did you have my e-mail from 15.9. (see again in copy below) actually got it?
And now Sally and I have the next package of trips ahead of us. First a family visit to the UK - my family's turn will be in January. And in between another exotic adventure: Rwanda. We are currently preparing intensively for the whole subject of the 1994 genocide. Phew, that's really tough. We're already getting nightmares and have to be more careful about what and how much we read and watch films. On the trip itself, too, we will contrast the visits to all the genocide memorials with more pleasant counterweights, i.e. above all observations of nature. The highlight here, of course: the famous mountain gorillas. Sally, who insisted that we do the same (despite the nasty costs) when we travel to this country, is already crazy about it (for her birthday I gave her a stuffed animal gorilla, among other things, which she rarely does anymore lets go - and instead of holding her gorilla in my arms at night ... well, that means, on the other hand, that it was a very "successful" gift ;-))
Gorilla trekking will not be a walk in the park either, and our very poor fitness will be severely tested - after all, it goes through the cloud forest in jungle terrain at 3000 m above sea level or more, where the air you breathe can get thin. But we will hopefully manage it, albeit with a lot of panting and groaning.
My work on the website has also progressed a lot, now I'm filling the database, so it's slowly taking shape. But it is still a lot of work. And a lot of dull manual work. Upload the texts, format them, enter keywords and, above all, use the innumerable internal links all manually. It's nice to see how it slowly piles up and looks real though. Of course, I still have to write a lot - there are still gaps that have to be made up, and then there is always something new. Rwanda will certainly take a lot of time, especially given the magnitude of the dark recent history there.
Sally still has a lot to do with the OSCE, in addition to the Kazakh delegation. But their chairmanship is now coming to an end, so this additional work will probably ebb away soon.
It goes on like this until Friday; then we go to the UK and immediately afterwards to Rwanda, from where we are on 4.1. come back (to take off again on the 7th to visit family in northern Germany ... unfortunately we only come through HH for a short while, no time for a meeting, sorry)
So I take the opportunity now to wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! What are the plans with you? And anyway, how is it and is it like that? ... on a stick as well as in a figurative sense. Is your daughter now on her way to expensive London?
Get in touch again! Until Friday I still have this email, otherwise it's better to use the old one at Yahoo (which, unlike this one, I should be able to see from time to time when traveling: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Hohenhaus"
To: "Christa"
Sent: Wednesday September 15, 2010 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: short greetings back - now longer replica
> moin moin to HH!
> now I owe you a more relaxed answer - and meanwhile are
> The mountains of dirty laundry have already been removed (only they grow at home too
> always go back by itself!). The photo sorting and editing is on
> Also completed, now it's time to post-process in writing.
> Last weekend was also a long one, where Sally spent Friday and Monday
> had free, so we used it for a little tour in a rental car
> have - although we were only so short back from the Caucasus. But it
> would have been stupid not to use the time. And so it went to a dark one
> Location here in Ösi-Land that was still outstanding: namely the Ebensee concentration camp memorial
> with their deep tunnel in the mountain (where V2 rockets from forced laborers
> should be screwed together, something like in Miittelbau-Dora, only
> that Ebensee was no longer finished before the end of the war). Already scary (and
> cold!) in the middle of the mountain!
> Then to Berchtesgaden, which is just across the border, in that one
> German bubble pushing south into Ösi-Land. Were there
> Tick off Obersalzberg and the Kehklsteinhaus for dark tourists.
> Nazi history. The Kehlsteinhaus, internationally known as "Eagle's Nest"
> known, was a tea house, built as a present for Adolf on his 50th -
> high on the mountain at 1850m above sea level, built for horrendous money. And thereby
> Assie H was only up there 14 times. The guide noted that
> The 14 cups of tea were therefore the most expensive in world history - at 140
> Million US dollar construction costs for the Kehlsteinhaus, including access road and
> Lift, so $ 10 million per cup of tea !! How many thousand container loads
> Darjieling you would get for that ...
> In addition to the somewhat depressing Kehlsteinhaus, there are also others
> "Highlights", including again underground bunkers on the (below)
> Obersalzberg. Here, too, it was cold and gloomy again - but everything anyway
> very mass tourism! Americans in particular come in droves. Well, for me it is
> now checked. More compulsory exercise than real interest. In the
> The "cult side" of Nazi history is always reluctant to work in me. After all
> I admit that in Berchtesgaden, given the difficult
> Topic, but got it done quite well with the processing. A
> Fortunately, it is by no means a place of pilgrimage for neo-Nazis.
> As a counterweight, we also rented a nice one
> "Resort Hotel", where Sally could take a long sauna, paddle in the pool and
> enjoy other spa things while on dark tourism
> Research tour was.
> The next day we went to Italy (that's the way the Ösi country is too
> near!), first to Vajont, the place where in 1963 one of the worst
> Dam disasters occurred when a landslide over the reservoir
> Sent the dam and the wave washed away the whole village of Langarone. At
> There were 2000 dead back then. And everything could have been prevented because
> One could and should have known that the mountain was unstable. But
> Italian corruption and profile addiction fueled the concerns
> aside, and that's how it came about. The topic was taboo for a long time, but it was
> today the Vajont dam has become a real tourist magnet,
> one of the dark tourist highlights in Italy. At least it was
> pretty full there - to our surprise. You can largely do that
> Even walk on the dam wall that has remained undamaged. And that's crazy, from
> to look up there in the 260m depth behind the wall in the gorge (the
> is almost as deep as the Hamburg TV tower is high - so for once
> Comparison!). In front of the wall, nature takes over the scree slope of the
> Mountain slide back where there is forest today - but you can still see the huge one
> see a bald scar on the mountain slope ...
> We were lucky with the weather until the last day, the return trip.
> Actually we wanted another Dolomite highlight that morning
> "Take it with you", namely the famous Drei Zinnen, but the weather was back
> turned over and you couldn't even see the feet of the mountains in the heavy rain
> see. So we deleted everything else and went straight home
> driven through.
> And the Caucasus? Well I don't even know where to start (or stop)
> should. We started in Baku, the mystical-oriental capital
> Azerbaijan on the Caspian Sea. However, only that is oriental there
> Medieval old town (Unesco World Heritage Site, but endangered), around it
> the oil boom is raging with the wildest modern architecture. Almost has something of
> Beijing, but with a good portion of the Soviet Union (plus Turkish
> Orient mixed in - I already spoke: Azeri is almost identical to
> Turkish). We loved it!
> Two day trips lead us to the notorious one
> Azerbaijani mud volcanoes (where driven by underground gases
> cold green sludge comes to the surface and bubbles over there
> and smacks - or farts. Completely weird thing! And that in the middle of wild
> Semi-desert landscape at 45 degrees in (nowhere) shade!
> The second day trip took us through the old oil production areas, where
> There are heaps of rusty derricks and pumps standing around, some of them open too
> Kilometers of piers out into the open sea. Very post-apocalyptic and
> James Bond-like (actually: the 007 flick "The world is not enough"
> was partly filmed here). In the evening the fire mountain: it has been burning here since
> Natural gas escaping from a mountain slope for decades. Very
> hypnotic sight!
> Then by night train from Baku to Tbilisi, Georgia. From there day trip
> to Gori - Stalin's native city. And old Uncle Jo is still here
> Hero. In the State Stalin Museum, 1953 simply stands still
> stayed. From Stalin's death mask to his Jewish images, revolutionary
> Heroic deeds to gifts from all sorts of friends (under
> others also from the GDR) and even his bumpy poetry
> covered ... but not a word about gulags or anything. Without a doubt one of the
> most surreal museums in the world. Rightly notorious for his
> One-sidedness.
> Then we went on a big tour through Armenia - and beyond: we were
> even in Nagorno-Karabakh, that embattled Armenian enclave in the middle of it
> Azerbaijani territory - at least until the armistice of 1994.
> Since then, the region has been de facto part of Armenia (also a
> "Buffer zone" around it, which was clearly Azerbaijani), even if
> Nagorno-Karabakh, or Nagorno-Karabakh, sees itself as an independent state
> (which is why you also need a separate visa - with the one in your passport you then
> Couldn't enter Azerbidjan ... that's why we were there first).
> The most exciting thing was a short visit to Agdam, which is now the largest in the world
> Ghost town, once an Azerbaijani city of 100,000 inhabitants,
> which is located directly in the border area, in the "Pufferzione", now complete
> depopulated and plundered. A sea of ​​hollow ruined houses that slowly
> grows over and crumbles away. Actually, you are not allowed to go there because that
> Visa only covers the actual "state" area of ​​Karabakh, but not
> the "buffer zone" with Azerbaijan. And because it was recently again
> There was a skirmish between the two archenemies on that border,
> We were advised not to drive to the center of Agdam (theoretically